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Working with Sequoia, Ally, and Weston was so wonderful, how everybody contributed to it, it was like in a really good spirit and that's what shows in the pictures, that we had a lot of fun.Everything began eight years ago. I think that what you're doing is awesome and I think what's fun about this photo shoot again, it's kind of like empowering with creativity, empowering with transformation, empowering who you are, and you know, because these characters are so beloved that we can have fun with it, you know? So the gender fluidity, the is it drag or is it not drag, the masculine, the feminine, is all part of the playfulness of everything that we've done. Hopefully the new kids who are being born now, by the time they grow up, there will be a lot more acceptance in terms of acceptance of masculine, feminine and any way in between, and hopefully the labels won't be as necessary. But so many people never had that support and still don't have that privilege.
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I mean, I even resisted the label "gender fluid" for a while because I was kinda just like, "Well, I'm just me," you know? But I think that's because I was really lucky to have grown up in an open and supportive environment where I could be free to be myself without having to explain it to anyone, so I never felt like I needed a label. I think a lot of people find labels to be very liberating though because it allows them to have a name for how they identify, and allows people to be able to understand where they're coming from. I think being more open is just as important and not being always so labeled.ĭE: Yeah totally. I was always like, "I don't want to wear that!" I find it kind of interesting that now we have so many labels because I think it's so natural to human beings to be kind of floating in a sense, you know. I was totally into sports and played soccer and you know, at the time when I grew up in the sixties, there wasn't really girls' stuff that wasn't pink or purple. MM: Oh yeah, when I was a kid I hated dresses, I hated pink. Related | Aquaria: The Unreal Housewife of New York But I was really lucky because my parents were very chill and didn't put any pressure on me to be any certain way. I just watched a lot of TV, and I mostly felt pretty gender neutral as a child. But maybe that's confusing! I definitely have had way more feminine periods of my life in the past and sometimes it fluctuates for me based on my mood or what the event or day calls for you, know? When I was a kid, I wasn't into really feminine stuff but I also wasn't really a tomboy because I wasn't sporty at all and I didn't like the outdoors. I just know that when I wear my usual three piece suit and draw on a thin mustache, I don't feel like I'm in drag, I just feel like myself. But then I'll do characters (like A Night at the Roxbury or my used car salesman character, Don Bogman) that I don't necessarily feel like are drag either! So as you can see, the line isn't always clear.
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But for me personally, I tend to feel like I'm "in full drag" if I'm wearing something that's an extreme departure from my normal looks, whether it's extreme over-the-top feminine, like Michele, or extreme over-the-top masculine, like when I dress up as Bono and contour on fake abs. MM: Just wondering, why would it have to be called drag? Because drag is like a costume?ĭE: Not that drag is necessarily a costume, because I think it can be many things for different people. I definitely felt like I was in full drag when I was dressed as Michele. Related | Beautiful People: Cardi B Is Still RealĭE: That was a super fun one. Like they put as much trendy stuff on themselves as possible without really understanding their body or who they really are.
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And I think right now with the overload of information, the problem is that people get very confused and I think some people don't really know how to dress anymore. And then movies had a lot more impact, especially on fashion, because information wasn't coming from everywhere at you. I think that what's so cool about at the time not having so much information is that you could actually create something fresh that people hadn't seen before. We didn't have computers, we didn't have, so it was a very, very different kind of process. MM: Well, you know it was very different than when we were doing Clueless 20 years ago.
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Like the big square rhinestone Gucci sunglasses or the hype beast revival of the Kurt Cobain mod glasses, that someone who wants to be "on top" of trends can now do so in a relatively timely with fashion without having to buy the originals. And it's crazy now the speed at which we see trends move from the runway to cheap knock offs on Amazon.
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Most iconic example of today is probably Cardi B, like Gucci plus Fashion Nova. DE: I think people of my generation are so used to seeing the mixing of high and low fashion that we take it for granted.